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> <channel><title>Comments on: Credit Card Victims Don&#8217;t Pay for 100% of My Credit Card Rewards</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards</link> <description>A personal finance blog teaching you how to live debt free and use credit wisely.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:07 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-5032</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:34:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-5032</guid> <description>@JC: Thanks for verifying the information about the rewards vs the costs. I guess if you did a lot of small transactions then the debit card might be a good option. You might also calculate the difference in &quot;floating&quot; your credit card balance in an online savings account.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JC: Thanks for verifying the information about the rewards vs the costs. I guess if you did a lot of small transactions then the debit card might be a good option. You might also calculate the difference in &#8220;floating&#8221; your credit card balance in an online savings account.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jc</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4887</link> <dc:creator>Jc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:44:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4887</guid> <description>You are actually perfectly correct.  Interchange fees completely pay for rewards.  On the higher level in the bank, You can consider it two separate categories for accounting. Interchange fees offset rewards paid, Interest paid on credit cards(Interest Income) are offset by money paid on &quot;loans&quot;(either from other banks or depositors, IE, Interest Expense)
When implementing these rewards programs(which are now available on many debit cards, the bank I work for currently offers a dime for every time you use your debit card to purchase anything over $1.  This adds up if you use your debit card a lot for smaller purchases. I buy a soda every day(so unhealthy) for $1.37, I get a dime.  If i do that 365 days, I spend 500, but receive in rewards 36.50. That&#039;s a 7% rewards rate.
BTW, Discover and AMEX are the two most expensive cards to accept, and can sometimes cost up to 8%.  Most other costs aren&#039;t much below that.  2.5%  would be much closer to what Visa/Mastercard charge for a keyed in card(the most expensive way to process a transaction)
As a side note about debit cards.  A compromise is about as frequent as with credit cards.  The process may be different but that is because we are talking about cash, not a loan.  The liability limits are essentially the same.  I&#039;ve banked with 6 banks in my life, and I&#039;ve worked at two, neither that I&#039;ve worked for ever made you responsible for a dime and one of the ones I&#039;ve banked with did not either.  The other 3, I can&#039;t speak for, never had that problem.
Those that claim debit cards bearing a visa/mc logo are not as secure as credit cards obviously do not understand that both use the same network, both use the same plastic(basically) and both are treated the exact same way by a merchant.
If someone finds your credit or debit card, they can get pretty much whatever they want.  It&#039;s not very often someone verifies the signature, or even if you write see id, that&#039;s often overlooked.  It&#039;s a fact of life(PS.  Not signing your card is the absolute stupidest thing you could do because what if in the off chance someone does get your card and signs the bank and the clerk verifies the signature?  Hmm, If the crook signed your card for you, guess what matches?   The Signature).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are actually perfectly correct.  Interchange fees completely pay for rewards.  On the higher level in the bank, You can consider it two separate categories for accounting. Interchange fees offset rewards paid, Interest paid on credit cards(Interest Income) are offset by money paid on &#8220;loans&#8221;(either from other banks or depositors, IE, Interest Expense)</p><p>When implementing these rewards programs(which are now available on many debit cards, the bank I work for currently offers a dime for every time you use your debit card to purchase anything over $1.  This adds up if you use your debit card a lot for smaller purchases. I buy a soda every day(so unhealthy) for $1.37, I get a dime.  If i do that 365 days, I spend 500, but receive in rewards 36.50. That&#8217;s a 7% rewards rate.</p><p>BTW, Discover and AMEX are the two most expensive cards to accept, and can sometimes cost up to 8%.  Most other costs aren&#8217;t much below that.  2.5%  would be much closer to what Visa/Mastercard charge for a keyed in card(the most expensive way to process a transaction)</p><p>As a side note about debit cards.  A compromise is about as frequent as with credit cards.  The process may be different but that is because we are talking about cash, not a loan.  The liability limits are essentially the same.  I&#8217;ve banked with 6 banks in my life, and I&#8217;ve worked at two, neither that I&#8217;ve worked for ever made you responsible for a dime and one of the ones I&#8217;ve banked with did not either.  The other 3, I can&#8217;t speak for, never had that problem.</p><p> Those that claim debit cards bearing a visa/mc logo are not as secure as credit cards obviously do not understand that both use the same network, both use the same plastic(basically) and both are treated the exact same way by a merchant.</p><p>If someone finds your credit or debit card, they can get pretty much whatever they want.  It&#8217;s not very often someone verifies the signature, or even if you write see id, that&#8217;s often overlooked.  It&#8217;s a fact of life(PS.  Not signing your card is the absolute stupidest thing you could do because what if in the off chance someone does get your card and signs the bank and the clerk verifies the signature?  Hmm, If the crook signed your card for you, guess what matches?   The Signature).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4712</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:59:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4712</guid> <description>@Paige: Exactly, Discover does the same thing with rental car companies (and I&#039;m sure hundreds of other merchants).
@Soren: The only problem I have that idea is that you would pay it anyways. Seriously. Me not using a credit card has 0% impact on the companies that accept them (and pass the costs on).
It&#039;s become a standard business expense and people just have to adapt.
I also agree on the security. Those cash-envelope people are nuts ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paige: Exactly, Discover does the same thing with rental car companies (and I&#8217;m sure hundreds of other merchants).</p><p>@Soren: The only problem I have that idea is that you would pay it anyways. Seriously. Me not using a credit card has 0% impact on the companies that accept them (and pass the costs on).</p><p>It&#8217;s become a standard business expense and people just have to adapt.</p><p>I also agree on the security. Those cash-envelope people are nuts <img
src='http://www.nodebtplan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Weekly Carnivals and Roundup &#124; LivingAlmostLarge</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4431</link> <dc:creator>Weekly Carnivals and Roundup &#124; LivingAlmostLarge</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:20:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4431</guid> <description>[...] talks about Credit Card Rewards, I love my rewards, but I guess people are paying for [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] talks about Credit Card Rewards, I love my rewards, but I guess people are paying for [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Indicators are OK</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4414</link> <dc:creator>Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Indicators are OK</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:06:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4414</guid> <description>[...] No Debt Plan writes an interesting view on Credit Card Victims Don&#8217;t Pay for 100% of My Credit Card rewards.Â  [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] No Debt Plan writes an interesting view on Credit Card Victims Don&#8217;t Pay for 100% of My Credit Card rewards.Â  [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Soren</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4408</link> <dc:creator>Soren</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:02:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4408</guid> <description>How much does the merchant pay in fees to accept cash?
Any additional costs incurred in the supply chain eventually cost the consumer. We pay for those rewards through increased price points from the merchants, who can&#039;t afford to allow their profits to dip too dramatically as a result of increased use of plastic.
The question is not so much one of rewards and other nifty incentives from the credit card companies (which are based on appeals to emotion) but of security: I DO tend to feel more secure with a piece of plastic in my wallet instead of $300 in cash. That being said, I pay for the securityâ€”although it is often well-covered by a sweet layer of I&#039;m-flying-to-Vail-frosting so it goes down smoooooth.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much does the merchant pay in fees to accept cash?</p><p>Any additional costs incurred in the supply chain eventually cost the consumer. We pay for those rewards through increased price points from the merchants, who can&#8217;t afford to allow their profits to dip too dramatically as a result of increased use of plastic.</p><p>The question is not so much one of rewards and other nifty incentives from the credit card companies (which are based on appeals to emotion) but of security: I DO tend to feel more secure with a piece of plastic in my wallet instead of $300 in cash. That being said, I pay for the securityâ€”although it is often well-covered by a sweet layer of I&#8217;m-flying-to-Vail-frosting so it goes down smoooooth.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paige</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4401</link> <dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:59:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4401</guid> <description>The card companies like Visa or Mastercard have arrangements with companies that give you the rewards too.
So if you are using a Mastercard to book a Delta airline ticket and you get certain miles, it is because there is a contract between Delta and Mastercard too.
It&#039;s not cool to try and make people feel guilty when they earn rewards on their CCs because someone else is not responsible with their money.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The card companies like Visa or Mastercard have arrangements with companies that give you the rewards too.</p><p>So if you are using a Mastercard to book a Delta airline ticket and you get certain miles, it is because there is a contract between Delta and Mastercard too.</p><p>It&#8217;s not cool to try and make people feel guilty when they earn rewards on their CCs because someone else is not responsible with their money.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4398</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:07:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4398</guid> <description>Also, for the pro-debit card folks... debit cards also cost the merchant. Perhaps not 3% or more, more in the 1-1.5% range... but debit cards DO profit the banks. Gasp!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, for the pro-debit card folks&#8230; debit cards also cost the merchant. Perhaps not 3% or more, more in the 1-1.5% range&#8230; but debit cards DO profit the banks. Gasp!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alison @ This Wasn't In The Plan</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4396</link> <dc:creator>Alison @ This Wasn't In The Plan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:21:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4396</guid> <description>Great article!
I&#039;ve always thought that it was the merchant fees that were funding my rewards and have never once felt like it was others&#039; interest fees that made the rewards I love so much possible.  It just makes sense to me that way.  The money that Discover earns from merchants when I make purchases is very, very small, but I&#039;m sure they still like it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!<br
/> I&#8217;ve always thought that it was the merchant fees that were funding my rewards and have never once felt like it was others&#8217; interest fees that made the rewards I love so much possible.  It just makes sense to me that way.  The money that Discover earns from merchants when I make purchases is very, very small, but I&#8217;m sure they still like it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shaun Carter</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/18/credit-card-victims-dont-pay-for-100-percent-of-my-credit-card-rewards/#comment-4395</link> <dc:creator>Shaun Carter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=818#comment-4395</guid> <description>American Express has one of the highest merchant charges in the industry, from what I remember when I had my business it was around 4-5% of the transaction. But statistics show that AMEX cardholders spend more than any other.
I still don&#039;t understand how the anti-credit card people have a leg to stand on anymore. In regards to using Debit cards instead of Credit cards, like Troy mentioned, I can say I will NEVER use a debit card. I used to work in a bank and had several people have their debit card numbers compromised and lost everything in their account and the banks typically take at least a week to sort it out with their security department before reimbursing the customer anything.
With my credit cards I don&#039;t have to worry about money disappearing from my bank account and having to plead with my bank to get it back. Instead I simply dispute any unauthorized charges on my CC and I never have to pay them in the first place.
Seems like common sense to me...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Express has one of the highest merchant charges in the industry, from what I remember when I had my business it was around 4-5% of the transaction. But statistics show that AMEX cardholders spend more than any other.</p><p>I still don&#8217;t understand how the anti-credit card people have a leg to stand on anymore. In regards to using Debit cards instead of Credit cards, like Troy mentioned, I can say I will NEVER use a debit card. I used to work in a bank and had several people have their debit card numbers compromised and lost everything in their account and the banks typically take at least a week to sort it out with their security department before reimbursing the customer anything.</p><p>With my credit cards I don&#8217;t have to worry about money disappearing from my bank account and having to plead with my bank to get it back. Instead I simply dispute any unauthorized charges on my CC and I never have to pay them in the first place.</p><p>Seems like common sense to me&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
