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> <channel><title>Comments on: CGM Focus: A Perfect Example of Why Chasing Returns is Foolish</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish</link> <description>A personal finance blog teaching you how to live debt free and use credit wisely.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:07 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-12061</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:17:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-12061</guid> <description>@Irv Small: I wouldn&#039;t be in the fund in the first place. It&#039;s actively managed. Granted, the management team has been right recently, but they are still charging you 0.99% of assets regardless of performance.
I would get out and put my money into an index fund or ETF for the broad market. Personally I would rather own the whole market than just what one management team thinks I should own.
But this isn&#039;t professional advice. Do what you want. :)
If you sell now you are locking in a loss, but you can write off at least $3,000 of that loss this year on your taxes. Not much consolation if you&#039;ve lost that much, but you can then turn around and invest in the index so when it goes back up, you get to have the gain.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Irv Small: I wouldn&#8217;t be in the fund in the first place. It&#8217;s actively managed. Granted, the management team has been right recently, but they are still charging you 0.99% of assets regardless of performance.</p><p>I would get out and put my money into an index fund or ETF for the broad market. Personally I would rather own the whole market than just what one management team thinks I should own.</p><p>But this isn&#8217;t professional advice. Do what you want. <img
src='http://www.nodebtplan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>If you sell now you are locking in a loss, but you can write off at least $3,000 of that loss this year on your taxes. Not much consolation if you&#8217;ve lost that much, but you can then turn around and invest in the index so when it goes back up, you get to have the gain.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Irv Small</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-11973</link> <dc:creator>Irv Small</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:18:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-11973</guid> <description>What do you do with a fund that was tops for a few years after it has gone thru a big down turn like CGMFX. Do you wait or go to an Index fund?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you do with a fund that was tops for a few years after it has gone thru a big down turn like CGMFX. Do you wait or go to an Index fund?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Financial Blogger &#124; Investing Carnival #15 - Relationship Edition</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-4808</link> <dc:creator>The Financial Blogger &#124; Investing Carnival #15 - Relationship Edition</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:03:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-4808</guid> <description>[...] presents CGM Focus: A Perfect Example of Why Chasing Returns is Foolish posted at No Debt [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] presents CGM Focus: A Perfect Example of Why Chasing Returns is Foolish posted at No Debt [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-4711</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:55:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-4711</guid> <description>@Matt: Yea, I had read that he was playing against financials and into commodities. It may go back up into the stratosphere, but I&#039;ll stick with my boring index funds.
@Ravinsu: I read the background on the guy and he has been a great investor, don&#039;t get me wrong. But I stick by the fact that this is a good example of chasing returns. If you chased returns when you saw 70% annual gains for CGM, you&#039;ve been sorely disappointed. I&#039;m not saying he&#039;s a bad guy at all. But it makes a good example. And if you had index funds, you wouldn&#039;t have to worry about it. (I will grant that I would much rather have 70% annual returns than index funds, but not until someone can show me it will be consistent into the future. &quot;Past performance is not indicative of future results&quot; is the saying, no?)
@Start-Up: Yup! Exactly.
@Paige: Thanks for commenting.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt: Yea, I had read that he was playing against financials and into commodities. It may go back up into the stratosphere, but I&#8217;ll stick with my boring index funds.</p><p>@Ravinsu: I read the background on the guy and he has been a great investor, don&#8217;t get me wrong. But I stick by the fact that this is a good example of chasing returns. If you chased returns when you saw 70% annual gains for CGM, you&#8217;ve been sorely disappointed. I&#8217;m not saying he&#8217;s a bad guy at all. But it makes a good example. And if you had index funds, you wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about it. (I will grant that I would much rather have 70% annual returns than index funds, but not until someone can show me it will be consistent into the future. &#8220;Past performance is not indicative of future results&#8221; is the saying, no?)</p><p>@Start-Up: Yup! Exactly.</p><p>@Paige: Thanks for commenting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Weekend Linkage - September 21, 2008</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-4505</link> <dc:creator>Weekend Linkage - September 21, 2008</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-4505</guid> <description>[...] CGM Focus: A Perfect Example of Why Chasing Returns is Foolish Well, CGM didn&#8217;t make its name by just investing in oil. It has a track record. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] CGM Focus: A Perfect Example of Why Chasing Returns is Foolish Well, CGM didn&#8217;t make its name by just investing in oil. It has a track record. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Passing the week. . . &#124; taxguy</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-4501</link> <dc:creator>Passing the week. . . &#124; taxguy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:06:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-4501</guid> <description>[...] CGM Focus: A Perfect Example of Why Chasing Returns is Foolish. I had never heard of this until I read this post from Kevin at No Debt Plan. I was amazed by the entire article. If you are an investor you need to read this. (From reading his blog you need to tune in next week too.) He points out something I tell everyone â€œwhat goes up must go downâ€ so to me, do your homework. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] CGM Focus: A Perfect Example of Why Chasing Returns is Foolish. I had never heard of this until I read this post from Kevin at No Debt Plan. I was amazed by the entire article. If you are an investor you need to read this. (From reading his blog you need to tune in next week too.) He points out something I tell everyone â€œwhat goes up must go downâ€ so to me, do your homework. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paige</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-4444</link> <dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:26:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-4444</guid> <description>As I started reading the article I was thinking to myself, how can this one-off thing be written about in this blog. Started to make sense as I read more :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I started reading the article I was thinking to myself, how can this one-off thing be written about in this blog. Started to make sense as I read more <img
src='http://www.nodebtplan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Start-Up</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-4436</link> <dc:creator>Start-Up</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:31:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-4436</guid> <description>The best part about average returns, is you&#039;re getting the average stock market return, which happens to be higher than the average investor&#039;s returns. Average really is above average when you talk to your neighbors and coworkers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part about average returns, is you&#8217;re getting the average stock market return, which happens to be higher than the average investor&#8217;s returns. Average really is above average when you talk to your neighbors and coworkers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ravinsu</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-4429</link> <dc:creator>ravinsu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:57:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-4429</guid> <description>Ken Heebner has been investing quite successfully for the last 38 years. If you haven&#039;t heard of him before you saw him on the cover of Fortune, you have every right to complain about getting burned chasing hot returns in a &quot;flash in the pan&quot; mutual fund. But the fact of the matter is, Ken is a phenomenal investor who has generated amazing returns over the last so many years. Its not last 5 years I am talking about. Do your due diligence on him.
You have a point here though about getting into CGM focus well after an unusally phenomenal year for Ken after the commodity bull run. But his returns are way off the peak, so instead of blasting his returns, NOW would be a good time to get into this fund rather than running to Bogle crying foul.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Heebner has been investing quite successfully for the last 38 years. If you haven&#8217;t heard of him before you saw him on the cover of Fortune, you have every right to complain about getting burned chasing hot returns in a &#8220;flash in the pan&#8221; mutual fund. But the fact of the matter is, Ken is a phenomenal investor who has generated amazing returns over the last so many years. Its not last 5 years I am talking about. Do your due diligence on him.</p><p>You have a point here though about getting into CGM focus well after an unusally phenomenal year for Ken after the commodity bull run. But his returns are way off the peak, so instead of blasting his returns, NOW would be a good time to get into this fund rather than running to Bogle crying foul.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt @ Steadfast Finances</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2008/09/19/cgm-focus-a-perfect-example-of-why-chasing-returns-is-foolish/#comment-4424</link> <dc:creator>Matt @ Steadfast Finances</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:05:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=829#comment-4424</guid> <description>You know I would have heard of CGM and Heebner wouldn&#039;t ya!  haha.  Just for fun, toss up an overlay chart of CGMFX with the USO (oil ETF) or the KOL (coal ETF).  They mirror each other in terms of price moves almost perfectly.
Heebner&#039;s investments were affected more by the sell off in commodities b/c he was (and still is) heavy into the commodity sector.  Stocks like Petrobras, US Steel, were heavy overweights.  He&#039;s known for having a down year, so it&#039;s not surprising to see him fall off the mark this year after blowing everyone away for the last 5.
One thing I do to avoid situations like this is pull the stock charts like you did here.  If you see a huge spike in price in the last 6 months... just avoid buying it.  Wait for it to come back down to earth.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I would have heard of CGM and Heebner wouldn&#8217;t ya!  haha.  Just for fun, toss up an overlay chart of CGMFX with the USO (oil ETF) or the KOL (coal ETF).  They mirror each other in terms of price moves almost perfectly.</p><p>Heebner&#8217;s investments were affected more by the sell off in commodities b/c he was (and still is) heavy into the commodity sector.  Stocks like Petrobras, US Steel, were heavy overweights.  He&#8217;s known for having a down year, so it&#8217;s not surprising to see him fall off the mark this year after blowing everyone away for the last 5.</p><p>One thing I do to avoid situations like this is pull the stock charts like you did here.  If you see a huge spike in price in the last 6 months&#8230; just avoid buying it.  Wait for it to come back down to earth.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
