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> <channel><title>Comments on: Why Companies Want You to Receive Your Bill Electronically</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically</link> <description>A personal finance blog teaching you how to live debt free and use credit wisely.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:07 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15494</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:04:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15494</guid> <description>Everyone: I posted my follow up post today. You can check it out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/27/the-risk-of-automatically-paying-your-bills/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
@Justin: I like receiving e-bills as well, but I don&#039;t think it is a cookie cutter, &quot;set and forget&quot; fix.
@Russell: I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a mailroom issue -- most firms outsource this (yes even for account information mailers). And if you want to talk about paper costs many times these credit card offers (several per week) outweight the one per month I get with my statement in it. You might save on the postage, but there is still an envelope, still paper, the little fake plastic card in it, etc. I don&#039;t buy that the costs are significantly different when my own company (AMEX) is actively courting me for premium cards.
@Abigail: Again I see your point. But let&#039;s not paint it up in a &quot;this is the best thing for you&quot; paint. There are risks involved.
@DYDR: Perhaps I am being too cynical. :)
@Mike: I may come off as cynical, that was kind of the point. So you&#039;re paying $10/month to protect your identity? You might want to check out a post that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.masteryourcard.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Master Your Card&lt;/a&gt; did a while back where you can LifeLock yourself for free.
@Lauren: That sucks! I would switch back to paper bills if that were the case.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone: I posted my follow up post today. You can check it out <a
href="http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/27/the-risk-of-automatically-paying-your-bills/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p>@Justin: I like receiving e-bills as well, but I don&#8217;t think it is a cookie cutter, &#8220;set and forget&#8221; fix.</p><p>@Russell: I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a mailroom issue &#8212; most firms outsource this (yes even for account information mailers). And if you want to talk about paper costs many times these credit card offers (several per week) outweight the one per month I get with my statement in it. You might save on the postage, but there is still an envelope, still paper, the little fake plastic card in it, etc. I don&#8217;t buy that the costs are significantly different when my own company (AMEX) is actively courting me for premium cards.</p><p>@Abigail: Again I see your point. But let&#8217;s not paint it up in a &#8220;this is the best thing for you&#8221; paint. There are risks involved.</p><p>@DYDR: Perhaps I am being too cynical. <img
src='http://www.nodebtplan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>@Mike: I may come off as cynical, that was kind of the point. So you&#8217;re paying $10/month to protect your identity? You might want to check out a post that <a
href="http://www.masteryourcard.com/" rel="nofollow">Master Your Card</a> did a while back where you can LifeLock yourself for free.</p><p>@Lauren: That sucks! I would switch back to paper bills if that were the case.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts on Advice</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15463</link> <dc:creator>Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts on Advice</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:15:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15463</guid> <description>[...] Debt Plan has some good advice about Why Companies Want You to Receive Your Bills Electronically, which has some very good points in [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Debt Plan has some good advice about Why Companies Want You to Receive Your Bills Electronically, which has some very good points in [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: My Life ROI</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15433</link> <dc:creator>My Life ROI</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:35:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15433</guid> <description>I think that you advocating automatic payments contradicts your concern that e-billing may cause people to overlook wrong charges.
If anything causes people to overlook wrong charges it is automatic billing.
I set up a calendar reminder for every bill I have and it alerts me a week before it is due. I check the bill to make sure it is accurate and then I schedule the payment.
I would rather not have the company take the money directly. If they do and you find an error later where is your negotiating ground?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you advocating automatic payments contradicts your concern that e-billing may cause people to overlook wrong charges.</p><p>If anything causes people to overlook wrong charges it is automatic billing.</p><p>I set up a calendar reminder for every bill I have and it alerts me a week before it is due. I check the bill to make sure it is accurate and then I schedule the payment.</p><p>I would rather not have the company take the money directly. If they do and you find an error later where is your negotiating ground?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Elena</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15417</link> <dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:59:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15417</guid> <description>I got a system I created to make sure I pay bills online on time so late fees are not part of my life. Maybe once in a while, I get sick and bills stop being a priority and then I have to pay a late fee, maybe twice a year, that&#039;s only 2 fees (but I still try to avoid doing that). I don&#039;t credit card companies created the online statement to get more money out of people THAT way. I think people who have credit card debt and use online statements only tend to not check the details every single month, so the % might change - they won&#039;t even know. It also is not as much in the eye as a paper statement. I open the paper statement, see I spent a thousand 3 months ago and I keep getting hit with a charge of let&#039;s say $20 per month, plus I pay a minimum payment, oh, man that&#039;s 31%, it used to be 9.99%, what happened to that original offer? - I&#039;d better pay it off this month! With an online statement that I don&#039;t open this kind of revelation will not happen.
It&#039;s kinda cute that you launched this paranoid version of why credit card companies encourage online statements. Whether you really think that, or just decided to see people&#039;s reactions - you got a discussion going on.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a system I created to make sure I pay bills online on time so late fees are not part of my life. Maybe once in a while, I get sick and bills stop being a priority and then I have to pay a late fee, maybe twice a year, that&#8217;s only 2 fees (but I still try to avoid doing that). I don&#8217;t credit card companies created the online statement to get more money out of people THAT way. I think people who have credit card debt and use online statements only tend to not check the details every single month, so the % might change &#8211; they won&#8217;t even know. It also is not as much in the eye as a paper statement. I open the paper statement, see I spent a thousand 3 months ago and I keep getting hit with a charge of let&#8217;s say $20 per month, plus I pay a minimum payment, oh, man that&#8217;s 31%, it used to be 9.99%, what happened to that original offer? &#8211; I&#8217;d better pay it off this month! With an online statement that I don&#8217;t open this kind of revelation will not happen.<br
/> It&#8217;s kinda cute that you launched this paranoid version of why credit card companies encourage online statements. Whether you really think that, or just decided to see people&#8217;s reactions &#8211; you got a discussion going on.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lauren</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15412</link> <dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:09:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15412</guid> <description>My partner receives all of his bills by email to save on the cost but most of the time we end up having to print it out to stick up on the fridge to remind us to go and pay it.  So basically the printing cost of the bills has been passed on to us... so we aren&#039;t saving money at all!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My partner receives all of his bills by email to save on the cost but most of the time we end up having to print it out to stick up on the fridge to remind us to go and pay it.  So basically the printing cost of the bills has been passed on to us&#8230; so we aren&#8217;t saving money at all!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: PW</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15410</link> <dc:creator>PW</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:41:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15410</guid> <description>I have paid my bills online for at least 5 yrs and love it, and get most of my bills electronically in email to both my home and work address in case 1 system is down.I every few weeks have a task reminder in my comptuter to check on balances of credit cards, utility bills etc. just to make sure nothing has been posted illegally. I never get late fees and in fact because I never overdraw or pay anything late I just got a nice new interest rate on my checking and no min amt required.  I love paying bills online, love it!! I don&#039;t keep my bills in a master file because they are accessabile online. Most $ moves electronically from my bank to the biller, only a handful of electronic checks go out from my bill pay.  I pay my bills from work during lunch, check balances during lunch, move my 4 from place to place during luch, and have lifelock also, so minimal mail. I think I am one who is putting the post office out of business as even now for work we transfer papers back and forth via pdf.  Working on taking electronic checks from our clients.  IF YOU EVER HAD TO YOU CAN CALL ALL YOUR BILLERS ON THE PHONE AND THEY TELL YOU THE BALANCE DUE WHERE TO SEND CHECK ETC IF YOU EVER HAVE TO GO BACK TO SNAIL MAIL. I even got my landscapers to start taking monthly checks via electronic bill pay.  Gotta love it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have paid my bills online for at least 5 yrs and love it, and get most of my bills electronically in email to both my home and work address in case 1 system is down.I every few weeks have a task reminder in my comptuter to check on balances of credit cards, utility bills etc. just to make sure nothing has been posted illegally. I never get late fees and in fact because I never overdraw or pay anything late I just got a nice new interest rate on my checking and no min amt required.  I love paying bills online, love it!! I don&#8217;t keep my bills in a master file because they are accessabile online. Most $ moves electronically from my bank to the biller, only a handful of electronic checks go out from my bill pay.  I pay my bills from work during lunch, check balances during lunch, move my 4 from place to place during luch, and have lifelock also, so minimal mail. I think I am one who is putting the post office out of business as even now for work we transfer papers back and forth via pdf.  Working on taking electronic checks from our clients.  IF YOU EVER HAD TO YOU CAN CALL ALL YOUR BILLERS ON THE PHONE AND THEY TELL YOU THE BALANCE DUE WHERE TO SEND CHECK ETC IF YOU EVER HAVE TO GO BACK TO SNAIL MAIL. I even got my landscapers to start taking monthly checks via electronic bill pay.  Gotta love it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mike @ TheThriftyLife</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15392</link> <dc:creator>Mike @ TheThriftyLife</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:58:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15392</guid> <description>Don&#039;t confuse marketing/promotonal offers with required statements to existing customers.  Those are two completely different things.  If you&#039;re a customer they may want to sell you on additional services but there&#039;s a value as well as a cost associated with sending a marketing mailer.  With statements there&#039;s no value, its required to keep your customer paying their bill.
I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right about people missing more payments, but the flip side of that is people AUTOMATING payments online. So there&#039;s one way that you can deal with a possible pitfall of electronic billing.  But seriously - if you&#039;re too lazy to even read your bill when you get it via email, how much effort are you going to take to pick up the phone and call about an error if you find one?  The lazy guy who can&#039;t be bothered to check his bills, deserves the penalty.
Sorry I have no compassion for not paying attention when it comes to money either going into or out of your wallet.  If you don&#039;t care enough to track it, you shouldn&#039;t care if a mistake is made.
I agree with the other commenters who&#039;ve stated that the real reason here is cost of printing, paper and postage.  Ever compared the cost of doing a physical mailing vs an email campaign?  Its fractions of pennies on the dollar.
Regarding green initiatives - you sound too cynical on that subject.  There are some companies that actually do want to protect the environment, checkout a companies stated corporate goals to verify that on a per-company basis.  You won&#039;t get very far just throwing out blanket statements without some backup evidence.
I personally receive NO credit card or other promotions in the mail thanks to LifeLock.  Their service, besides protecting my families personal information also restricts junk mail by contacting companies directly on your behalf.  Look into it if you&#039;re swamped with paper that you just throw away anyway.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t confuse marketing/promotonal offers with required statements to existing customers.  Those are two completely different things.  If you&#8217;re a customer they may want to sell you on additional services but there&#8217;s a value as well as a cost associated with sending a marketing mailer.  With statements there&#8217;s no value, its required to keep your customer paying their bill.</p><p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right about people missing more payments, but the flip side of that is people AUTOMATING payments online. So there&#8217;s one way that you can deal with a possible pitfall of electronic billing.  But seriously &#8211; if you&#8217;re too lazy to even read your bill when you get it via email, how much effort are you going to take to pick up the phone and call about an error if you find one?  The lazy guy who can&#8217;t be bothered to check his bills, deserves the penalty.</p><p>Sorry I have no compassion for not paying attention when it comes to money either going into or out of your wallet.  If you don&#8217;t care enough to track it, you shouldn&#8217;t care if a mistake is made.</p><p>I agree with the other commenters who&#8217;ve stated that the real reason here is cost of printing, paper and postage.  Ever compared the cost of doing a physical mailing vs an email campaign?  Its fractions of pennies on the dollar.</p><p>Regarding green initiatives &#8211; you sound too cynical on that subject.  There are some companies that actually do want to protect the environment, checkout a companies stated corporate goals to verify that on a per-company basis.  You won&#8217;t get very far just throwing out blanket statements without some backup evidence.</p><p>I personally receive NO credit card or other promotions in the mail thanks to LifeLock.  Their service, besides protecting my families personal information also restricts junk mail by contacting companies directly on your behalf.  Look into it if you&#8217;re swamped with paper that you just throw away anyway.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Russell Fascenda</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15389</link> <dc:creator>Russell Fascenda</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:47:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15389</guid> <description>Kevin, you also mentioned the credit card offers you receive in the mail as contradicting the push for electronic billing.  But there&#039;s a big difference in mailing those offers.  They don&#039;t have to be mailed first-class which saves postage cost, and they don&#039;t have account information so they can be printed and mailed by outside contractors which saves labor and printing equipment costs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, you also mentioned the credit card offers you receive in the mail as contradicting the push for electronic billing.  But there&#8217;s a big difference in mailing those offers.  They don&#8217;t have to be mailed first-class which saves postage cost, and they don&#8217;t have account information so they can be printed and mailed by outside contractors which saves labor and printing equipment costs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Do You Dave Ramsey?</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15388</link> <dc:creator>Do You Dave Ramsey?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:42:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15388</guid> <description>Hmm, I wonder if you&#039;re not being overly cynical on this one.  I think companies are wanting to automate as much as they can for the purposes of cost containment.  Sure, some of the motives may be cloaked as green movements but I&#039;m not against a single action having a dual purpose.
Will some people forget to pay if the bill comes in their email?  Sure, but some will forget if it comes in the mail.  I think that&#039;s a function of personal choice.
I know I didn&#039;t move my bills to email for the reason you mentioned - they&#039;d become lost in my inbox but the same statement could be made of someone with a more digital mindset.
I am intrigued to see your follow-up tomorrow as I sure you have some good advice for us... I have a solution that has worked beautify for me but I&#039;ll save that for tomorrow&#039;s comment section.
Thanks!
Dave</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I wonder if you&#8217;re not being overly cynical on this one.  I think companies are wanting to automate as much as they can for the purposes of cost containment.  Sure, some of the motives may be cloaked as green movements but I&#8217;m not against a single action having a dual purpose.</p><p>Will some people forget to pay if the bill comes in their email?  Sure, but some will forget if it comes in the mail.  I think that&#8217;s a function of personal choice.</p><p>I know I didn&#8217;t move my bills to email for the reason you mentioned &#8211; they&#8217;d become lost in my inbox but the same statement could be made of someone with a more digital mindset.</p><p>I am intrigued to see your follow-up tomorrow as I sure you have some good advice for us&#8230; I have a solution that has worked beautify for me but I&#8217;ll save that for tomorrow&#8217;s comment section.</p><p>Thanks!<br
/> Dave</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Abigail</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/03/26/why-companies-want-you-to-receive-your-bill-electronically/#comment-15385</link> <dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:36:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2272#comment-15385</guid> <description>Kevin,
Actually Missy &amp; Phillip weren&#039;t talking about the environmental angle. They were talking about the COST of buying the paper, printing it out, mailing it. Every month. To tens or hundreds of thousands of members.
Yes, they probably do get a few people forgetting to pay online. But most people do so much online, that doesn&#039;t really work these days.
Just the paper alone would cost an enormous amount! Then it has to be cut to the right size. Then there&#039;s the ink costs (and printers, and fixing printers that break...) and the cost of the envelopes (also printed on). Then the cost of mailing EACH envelope. Oh and let&#039;s not forget the salaries of the people who oversee the printing process or do quality control or whatever. The fewer statements printed, the fewer man hours they have to pay for.
Think of it this way: If a credit card company can get 10,000 people to do paperless billing, it&#039;s automatically saving $4,200 A MONTH (over $50,000 a year) just on mailing costs. Plus whatever the company would save on ink, electricity for the printers, salary, and the paper &amp; envelopes.
That&#039;s a little more compelling than the small percentage of people who will forget to open the email/pay the bill on time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p><p>Actually Missy &amp; Phillip weren&#8217;t talking about the environmental angle. They were talking about the COST of buying the paper, printing it out, mailing it. Every month. To tens or hundreds of thousands of members.</p><p>Yes, they probably do get a few people forgetting to pay online. But most people do so much online, that doesn&#8217;t really work these days.</p><p>Just the paper alone would cost an enormous amount! Then it has to be cut to the right size. Then there&#8217;s the ink costs (and printers, and fixing printers that break&#8230;) and the cost of the envelopes (also printed on). Then the cost of mailing EACH envelope. Oh and let&#8217;s not forget the salaries of the people who oversee the printing process or do quality control or whatever. The fewer statements printed, the fewer man hours they have to pay for.</p><p>Think of it this way: If a credit card company can get 10,000 people to do paperless billing, it&#8217;s automatically saving $4,200 A MONTH (over $50,000 a year) just on mailing costs. Plus whatever the company would save on ink, electricity for the printers, salary, and the paper &amp; envelopes.</p><p>That&#8217;s a little more compelling than the small percentage of people who will forget to open the email/pay the bill on time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
