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> <channel><title>Comments on: Credit Card Act Passes Senate</title> <atom:link href="http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate</link> <description>A personal finance blog teaching you how to live debt free and use credit wisely.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:18:07 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Steph</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-23404</link> <dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-23404</guid> <description>As a student whose parents are not quite financially responsible, this bill strikes me as a poor choice of aid for college students. I just recently applied for my first credit card in order to begin building up credit for when I leave college. If I am required to have a parent co-sign, there is a good chance I will not get the card - as I said, my parents are not financially responsible and do not have good credit scores. This is a large part of the reason I want to slowly build my own to a good level during college.
As it stands, this bill seems to be telling me that I am old enough for student loan debt - which will total $40,000 or more for me, personally - but not for a $1,000 limit credit card. If I have to wait to get a credit card until I am 21, I will be graduating within 8 months of receiving my card. I think, if 18 is going to be the legal &quot;adult&quot; age, it should be treated as such.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a student whose parents are not quite financially responsible, this bill strikes me as a poor choice of aid for college students. I just recently applied for my first credit card in order to begin building up credit for when I leave college. If I am required to have a parent co-sign, there is a good chance I will not get the card &#8211; as I said, my parents are not financially responsible and do not have good credit scores. This is a large part of the reason I want to slowly build my own to a good level during college.</p><p>As it stands, this bill seems to be telling me that I am old enough for student loan debt &#8211; which will total $40,000 or more for me, personally &#8211; but not for a $1,000 limit credit card. If I have to wait to get a credit card until I am 21, I will be graduating within 8 months of receiving my card. I think, if 18 is going to be the legal &#8220;adult&#8221; age, it should be treated as such.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-22152</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:33:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-22152</guid> <description>@Katie: I see what you are saying, but who says the credit card companies are going to accept the (sometimes) meager earnings of a college student? Imagine a waiter showing his vastly variable income, and the credit card company uses that as leverage to put him into the 22% bracket. Not sure if that&#039;s how it will play out, but putting an age limit seems ridiculous considering an 18 year old can die for his country, but would need &quot;permission&quot; to get a credit card.
@Kate: True no one is going to force parents to do it, but how many parents have intervened thus far? Probably not many. Hey Mom, just sign this from. I think going through college with responsible credit card use can be equally beneficial.
@April: Since when were parents responsible? Where did these kids learn these habits?
@Erica: Looks like it already passed.
@Roger: I am pretty much against government intervention in most parts of our lives. So I agree to disagree. :)
@Stephanie: Education is key... but heck, the government can&#039;t run the government correctly (see the $10 trillion debt)... so I don&#039;t think we can count on them to educate us on finances, either!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Katie: I see what you are saying, but who says the credit card companies are going to accept the (sometimes) meager earnings of a college student? Imagine a waiter showing his vastly variable income, and the credit card company uses that as leverage to put him into the 22% bracket. Not sure if that&#8217;s how it will play out, but putting an age limit seems ridiculous considering an 18 year old can die for his country, but would need &#8220;permission&#8221; to get a credit card.</p><p>@Kate: True no one is going to force parents to do it, but how many parents have intervened thus far? Probably not many. Hey Mom, just sign this from. I think going through college with responsible credit card use can be equally beneficial.</p><p>@April: Since when were parents responsible? Where did these kids learn these habits?</p><p>@Erica: Looks like it already passed.</p><p>@Roger: I am pretty much against government intervention in most parts of our lives. So I agree to disagree. <img
src='http://www.nodebtplan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>@Stephanie: Education is key&#8230; but heck, the government can&#8217;t run the government correctly (see the $10 trillion debt)&#8230; so I don&#8217;t think we can count on them to educate us on finances, either!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: 18-Year-Olds and Credit Cards: Discussion Continues</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-21817</link> <dc:creator>18-Year-Olds and Credit Cards: Discussion Continues</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 11:22:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-21817</guid> <description>[...] Debt Plan: Credit Card Act Passes Senate Then again it always makes me nervous when government gets involved with business affairs. Yes, the [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Debt Plan: Credit Card Act Passes Senate Then again it always makes me nervous when government gets involved with business affairs. Yes, the [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephanie PTY</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-21749</link> <dc:creator>Stephanie PTY</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:20:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-21749</guid> <description>For the under 21 rule, I don&#039;t like it. (I&#039;ve said as much on my own site.) It&#039;s not that I think it&#039;s even a really bad rule - if an individual credit card company thinks this is a good way to handle young adults, so be it. But I don&#039;t like the idea of the government handing down more legislation that says that young adults are, financially, not adults yet. Keeping people from making mistakes with credit between the ages of 18 and 21 doesn&#039;t keep them from making the same mistakes after 21.
As I said in my comment over at Man vs. Debt on the subject: When I got into credit card debt, it wasnâ€™t because I was 20 (and not 21!), it was because of my situation - I was going to a school that was too expensive for me, and I was going into credit card debt to pay for my school projects and groceries. The fix for that would not have been to prevent me from getting a card, or to bring my mother into it (she knew full well that I had a credit card, and knew that I got it to build a credit history), but education in high school that would have prepared me to know whether a particular college was too expensive for me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the under 21 rule, I don&#8217;t like it. (I&#8217;ve said as much on my own site.) It&#8217;s not that I think it&#8217;s even a really bad rule &#8211; if an individual credit card company thinks this is a good way to handle young adults, so be it. But I don&#8217;t like the idea of the government handing down more legislation that says that young adults are, financially, not adults yet. Keeping people from making mistakes with credit between the ages of 18 and 21 doesn&#8217;t keep them from making the same mistakes after 21.</p><p>As I said in my comment over at Man vs. Debt on the subject: When I got into credit card debt, it wasnâ€™t because I was 20 (and not 21!), it was because of my situation &#8211; I was going to a school that was too expensive for me, and I was going into credit card debt to pay for my school projects and groceries. The fix for that would not have been to prevent me from getting a card, or to bring my mother into it (she knew full well that I had a credit card, and knew that I got it to build a credit history), but education in high school that would have prepared me to know whether a particular college was too expensive for me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Roger</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-21715</link> <dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:17:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-21715</guid> <description>Overall, I approve of this bill.  While there&#039;s no promise that government involvement will improve the credit card industry, I think this is a step in the right direction.  While it&#039;s easy to say that people should read through their credit agreements, there&#039;s not much point if the company can change the rules at will.
As for the rules regarding under 21 credit users, I think the new rules are appropriate.  If cards are issued to students with no (or insufficient) ability to repay them, the assumption on the part of the credit card company is likely that the Bank of Mom and Dad will come to bail them out should they default.  The cosigner requirement just means that the parents will be informed and know about the credit that their children have outstanding now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall, I approve of this bill.  While there&#8217;s no promise that government involvement will improve the credit card industry, I think this is a step in the right direction.  While it&#8217;s easy to say that people should read through their credit agreements, there&#8217;s not much point if the company can change the rules at will.</p><p>As for the rules regarding under 21 credit users, I think the new rules are appropriate.  If cards are issued to students with no (or insufficient) ability to repay them, the assumption on the part of the credit card company is likely that the Bank of Mom and Dad will come to bail them out should they default.  The cosigner requirement just means that the parents will be informed and know about the credit that their children have outstanding now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Erica</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-21701</link> <dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:53:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-21701</guid> <description>I am thinking they will have a tough time passing the 21 age limit and one card per student thing in addition to the percentage of income. College kids work part time retail most of the time which means income changes. Who decides if the percentage comes out of the check where they worked the most hours or from the time after Christmas or something when everyone gets almost no hours. Proof of income is also very easy to fudge the numbers in situations like that. Age-wise they need to start making student loans/grants cover things like books, laptops, etc because I&#039;ve worked in a bank and THAT was the primary use of credit cards for college kids. I think just means the credit card companies and people who want cards will just have to use a less than legal method of getting card in hand. I think they should open more programs for credit card education to high schoolers and college freshman before doing a blanket age ban like this.
The rest of it is simply wonderful though. I just hope that counts for all current debt when they apply it and the banks dont pull something and not apply the rules towards current cards.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am thinking they will have a tough time passing the 21 age limit and one card per student thing in addition to the percentage of income. College kids work part time retail most of the time which means income changes. Who decides if the percentage comes out of the check where they worked the most hours or from the time after Christmas or something when everyone gets almost no hours. Proof of income is also very easy to fudge the numbers in situations like that. Age-wise they need to start making student loans/grants cover things like books, laptops, etc because I&#8217;ve worked in a bank and THAT was the primary use of credit cards for college kids. I think just means the credit card companies and people who want cards will just have to use a less than legal method of getting card in hand. I think they should open more programs for credit card education to high schoolers and college freshman before doing a blanket age ban like this.<br
/> The rest of it is simply wonderful though. I just hope that counts for all current debt when they apply it and the banks dont pull something and not apply the rules towards current cards.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: April C. Harris</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-21700</link> <dc:creator>April C. Harris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:48:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-21700</guid> <description>I&#039;m for the Credit Card Act of 2009. I do agree people under 21 shouldn&#039;t have a credit card without parent supervision. Making the parent as cosigner will benefit the most I think, only because there will be some control from parent with what person under 21 charges. Since parent will be responsible for actions/debts of their under 21 children, this will push people to go back to regular thinking which will be work to save liquid (money) to get what you want, and only charge big ticket items your yearly salary can&#039;t buy. It&#039;s ok to be in smart debt (college/home/etc.), but stupid debt (expensive clothes/expensive cars/etc) you can&#039;t really afford isn&#039;t wise anyway if under 21 or older adults who aren&#039;t stable and have no assets either. See my &quot;Asset Equation&quot; article at
http://acoletteharrisproperties.blogspot.com/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m for the Credit Card Act of 2009. I do agree people under 21 shouldn&#8217;t have a credit card without parent supervision. Making the parent as cosigner will benefit the most I think, only because there will be some control from parent with what person under 21 charges. Since parent will be responsible for actions/debts of their under 21 children, this will push people to go back to regular thinking which will be work to save liquid (money) to get what you want, and only charge big ticket items your yearly salary can&#8217;t buy. It&#8217;s ok to be in smart debt (college/home/etc.), but stupid debt (expensive clothes/expensive cars/etc) you can&#8217;t really afford isn&#8217;t wise anyway if under 21 or older adults who aren&#8217;t stable and have no assets either. See my &#8220;Asset Equation&#8221; article at<br
/> <a
href="http://acoletteharrisproperties.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://acoletteharrisproperties.blogspot.com/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kate@LivingTheFrugalLife</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-21694</link> <dc:creator>Kate@LivingTheFrugalLife</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:51:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-21694</guid> <description>&quot;...why should the Bank of Mom and Dad have to foot the bill if the student is irresponsible?&quot;
-Who says they do?  Is little Jimmy going to hold a gun to mom &amp; dad&#039;s head to get them to cosign for a credit card?  If parents have kids who aren&#039;t responsible at that age, they&#039;d know that better than the banks would.  So they shouldn&#039;t facilitate them getting a card.  If they decide to get their irresponsible child a credit card anyway, and co-sign for the debt, then I guess they *should* foot the bill.
I don&#039;t think going through college without credit is going to kill anyone.  Most people over a certain age did exactly that.  Maybe if that became the norm again, our overconsumption would decline and we&#039;d see people behaving more responsibly with their finances in general.  That could only be good for our economy *in the long run*.  Overconsumption and easy credit have obviously done us no favors.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;why should the Bank of Mom and Dad have to foot the bill if the student is irresponsible?&#8221;</p><p>-Who says they do?  Is little Jimmy going to hold a gun to mom &amp; dad&#8217;s head to get them to cosign for a credit card?  If parents have kids who aren&#8217;t responsible at that age, they&#8217;d know that better than the banks would.  So they shouldn&#8217;t facilitate them getting a card.  If they decide to get their irresponsible child a credit card anyway, and co-sign for the debt, then I guess they *should* foot the bill.</p><p>I don&#8217;t think going through college without credit is going to kill anyone.  Most people over a certain age did exactly that.  Maybe if that became the norm again, our overconsumption would decline and we&#8217;d see people behaving more responsibly with their finances in general.  That could only be good for our economy *in the long run*.  Overconsumption and easy credit have obviously done us no favors.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Katie Wettstein</title><link>http://www.nodebtplan.net/2009/05/20/credit-card-legislation-reform-passes-senate/#comment-21691</link> <dc:creator>Katie Wettstein</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:09:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.nodebtplan.net/?p=2871#comment-21691</guid> <description>People under 21 can have a card without parental cosigning if they have proof of income, right?  I think there&#039;s no problem with that one.  If parents choose to cosign,I think they realize the risk they&#039;re taking on with it.  I agree with you on being nervous about the government being involved, but I think that credit card companies have been out of control for a while, so overall I&#039;m feeling optimistic about things.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People under 21 can have a card without parental cosigning if they have proof of income, right?  I think there&#8217;s no problem with that one.  If parents choose to cosign,I think they realize the risk they&#8217;re taking on with it.  I agree with you on being nervous about the government being involved, but I think that credit card companies have been out of control for a while, so overall I&#8217;m feeling optimistic about things.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
